Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Here we go again


Warning: This is ultimately a political statement but unpaid.

I will accept contributions, however. I need the money to replace the failed Samsung Galaxy Tab, and to save up for a new desktop.

The Tab was just over 6 months old and the HP Pavilion Desktop is still under the two year warranty and has its second failed hard drive if you do not count the one they first sent with a hard drive that never worked.

Every time I have trouble with my HP I get the MAC users telling me how trouble free their MAC's are. Go away. In the last three months I have had three MAC friends (PC's vs MACS is about as entrenched as Republicans vs. Democrats so I count myself lucky we still talk) that have had failed hard drives. And from what I gather their customer support sucks. HP, the last time this happened, did offer data recovery. Not MAC.

One of my friends with the failed MAC has informed me that 99% of all hard drives be they in a Dell, MAC, HP or tablet or laptop of any of those brands probably come from the same off-shore company. And what incentive do they have for making a dependable product? NONE. It is win/win for them even if we lose. They get to continually make replacement hard drives. And all their people that can speak even a modicum of English get employed in tech support centers.

We have come a long way since my mother's 25 year old Maytag that was still working when Dad bought her a new washer and dryer set. 

So it is not all about American jobs overseas. It is about accountability. Your neighbor working at the assembly plant in Detroit took pride in his role in producing Fords and he did not want to hear us complain about them. But the workers in China do not know us. And if introduced would not even understand what we were screaming. I wonder at times about even the tech support people.

HP does seem to be working on its customer service image. It was once rated one of the worst in the industry. Just a bit better than Dell. I have a friend that told me Dell has gotten better but I have no intention of finding out. But this time from HP I received an e-mail I am able to respond to about the tech problem being experienced. Last year it took me something like 6 days and twice as many phone calls to get my problem escalated (don't you love that word) to someone that might actually own a computer and know that the DVD tray is not a cup holder. It did take me over 30 days to get the computer fixed. And then it didn't work when I got it. Fortunately that time I was able to immediately talk to someone that speaks computer.

So this morning I emailed HP and let them know I think the solution their tech (I do hate using that word for someone speaking from a set list of phrases that constantly has to put you on hold to go ask someone else what to do if that just did not work) came up with is wrong. A recovery disk returning the computer to factory specifications won't work. There are bad sectors on this hard drive. And if I have to go to the problem of restoring all my programs and backing up all my data I want it to work.

I do not want to go back to the incident on the last computer where I insisted it was a hard ware problem and they were adamant it was not. Two days of erasing and recovering and it did not work. Turns out that when they replaced the memory sticks (those had failed in 30 days) they had unplugged the wireless internal modem.

But I do not know that industry today wants anything to work. They make too much money re-selling you a new version of the failed product and promising that major improvements were made. It isn't just that all our money goes overseas it is that it does it again and again and again.

My first computer lasted me over 12 years. I bought a new one because of the internet and a need for more RAM because I changed what I did with it. Since then no computer, except my laptop, has made it past four. It is the manufacturing version of the food industries smaller packages at the same prices. In case you hadn't noticed there is no such thing as a 50 pound bag of dog food any more. And the 25 pound bag is now 17.

I do not think I want to trust my government to a CEO. Their track record with the products I purchase is not that good.

7 comments:

  1. Each of my last two laptops have lasted 7 years, most people think they need to replace them after three.Amazing what a disposable society we have become. We are on the road and it is abused but taken care of. It is a Dell. Never have had a problem although others I have consulted have and I have endured the telephone in India nightmares, mostly I just sent the laptops back with a nice letter telling them to fix it or else. Good luck with HP!

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  2. I must admit the just boxing it up and sending it does occur to me on the desktop, however, they will not cover "damage" unless it is in their box and that no longer means the box you got the original computer in.

    I do have a nerd friend coming over with a program that he maintains can get to the diagnostics my computer says does not exist. That way I will have confirmation of my opinion as to what is wrong.

    I do think desktops are made tougher. Knock on wood because I do not want to replace this one just yet.

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  3. Jacqui, I'm so sorry for your computer woes!

    Beginning in about 1999, I think, I have bought 3 laptops; all of them still work, though the first 2 became too slow and outdated to keep using: an IBM Thinkpad, a small Gateway with a Wacom tablet/touch screen monitor (I loved that), and now, my cheapest one yet, a Lenovo Thinkpad.

    None of them have been the cheapest laptops on the market, but I buy for speed and quality. The ones you can get for around $500 are pretty, but feel so flimsy to me.

    Also, 2 of my desktops are still working,a handbuilt one from maybe 2001, and a Gateway from 2007. I should mention, I have special ordered every one of my computers. I don't know if that makes a difference.

    I haven't had a hard drive fail yet (knock on wood), though I know it's a very real possibility. We have quite a few external hard drives, and try to keep copies of everything backed up in several places, though there will be stuff that would be lost forever if (when) a hard drive fails.

    We've had almost no problems with our computers, but when we get in over our heads, we do hire a computer guy to come fix things for us. I truly believe that is money very well spent, as long as the tech knows their stuff.

    Good luck to you.

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  4. BTW I have had an external hard drive fail and I understand that is more frequent than the hard drive on a computer. Desktop hard drives are general cheaper as they do not have to be tossed around like laptops. Those hard drives are frequently solid state.

    I have the Carbonite cloud backup since the external hard drive failed. The give no warning when they begin to "spill" data. When that happened I hired a computer guy that came well recommended to backup all my data and clean up my hard drive on the desktop. He dumped all the data, ruined two memory sticks and my fan with using a spray that was suppose to prevent the insides from getting dusty.

    There are no safe routes in this twisted world of computers. Redundancy is the best bet

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  5. The desk top I'm using now at home is a Dell. It has been in action for 8 years that I know of (that's how long I have had it) and it was a 'donation' to the office before that! The only thing is does need is more memory. My CPU at work was built by my IT specialist and has been going strong again for over 8 years. It came to me new in 2004 and has had one new video card installed plus more memory.

    The office has an HP Pavilion which s great although we have replaced the battery once in just over two years. It is used for many thinsg including presentations when it can be hooked up to a projector. The charger is in the process of being replaced and meanwhile am using a universal which is not great as the battery does not hold the charge for long but at least it does work. Added to which I only have to wait a few days for delivery to my IT guy which is not bad considering I live in the Caribbean.

    And I use evernote as a cysperspace back up plus discs, memory sticks, e mails...........and they say technology is easy?? But I don't know where I'd be without it - haven't even got to Galaxys and ipads yet!

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  6. You seem to be having more than your fair share of bad luck with these things.....wonder if you are one of those people whose personal magnetism fries machines?

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  7. No I am not, Ien. I blame it all on China. And while you hear a lot about the desktop I have tons of machines that run and run and run.

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